Why should My Religion be Anybody's Business?

by Pahlawan
 

 
Chinese version
 
   
WHAT THE
PEOPLE SAY

This is a
privacy issue.
Religion is
very personal.
Everyone of us
has a private
relationship
with our own
God and this is
NOT for public
consumption.


 
Pahlawan Poll
Religion should not be included in our Identity Cards. 
Do you agree with this statement?

Strongly agree
Somewhat agree
Neither agree nor disagree
Somewhat disagree
Strongly disagree
 


Current Results

POLL ENDS
Sun, Oct 24, 1999
12 noon
  As reported in The Sun on Sunday October 10, 1999...

The Malaysian Consultative Council of Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism and Sikhism (MCCBCHS) called on the government to reconsider its decision to include religion in identity cards.

It is of the opinion that the mention of race and religion in the identity cards will be viewed by authorities in such a manner that could lead to bias and discrimination.

"While one can appreciate that one would be proud that his or her religion is mentioned in the identity card, the MCCBCHS is also concerned with the arbitrary methods used by the National Registration Department in identifying one's own religion," its president, A Vaithilingam said in a statement.

He was reacting to Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Abdullah Ahmad Badawi's statement yesterday that religion will be included in identity cards in future.

Expressing the councils's surprise and disappointment with the announcement, Vaithilingam said the government is following a policy of not mentioning race and religion in the identity card mainly to consider all as Malaysians irrespective of race and religion.

Gerakan vice-president Dr S Vijayaratnam also asked the government to seriously reconsider its decision which he viewed as a step backwards in the light of the Prime Minister's desire for national unity and Bangsa Malaysia.

He said: "If it becomes necessary for some reason to determine the religion of an individual, in the vast majority of cases, the name alone would be enough to show it as far as the Muslim/non-Muslim distinction is concerned."

It is unfair to subject the whole nation to the undesirable exercise just for sporadic cases of fasting month offences, claiming of bodies or entering casinos, he added.

Vijayaratnam said: "In the quest for a united Malaysia, it would be encouraging to perceive that the authorities are placing less emphasis on religion and race.

"It cannot be denied that this is certainly the dream of most Malaysians, and the government should engage itself in seeking ways and means to achieve this goal."

____________________________


Pahlawan says...

It is a big NO to inclusion of religion in identification cards. Let's get real --what is an identification card? One that contains visible features to reveal your identity. Name, age, address, color of eyes and hair are sufficient. Why should religion and race be included?

Besides Malaysia's effort at eradication of racial identification among different peoples to foster integration and national cohesion, this is a privacy issue.

Religion is very personal. Everyone of us have a private relationship with our own God and this is NOT for public consumption.

The government must respect citizens' privacy. No to religion and race in ICs, inclusive of passports, birth certificates, drivers' license, and other documents such as enrollment to schools and job applications.
 

Feedback Welcomed!
____________________________

What The People Say...
 

Col. M.Nasir Taib wrote :
Date: Tuesday, 12 October 1999 01:54
Subject : [Pahlawan] Why should My Religion be Anybody's Business

Dear sir, The only winner is the contractor who got the job to print our NRICs.We need to check who owns the Sdn Bhd.This is a variation order that the contractor will score several million additional Ringgits.There is " Udang sebalik batu ". Next move will be Blood Gp then matrimonial status and finally change NRICs every two years. Banyak untung. Why do you wish to put Muslims in a straight -jacket all the time? You cannot keep dogs in government's married quarters as a Muslim but peeping-toms and thieving are not pursued with alacrity. Khalwat is real big deal to the enforcers but failure to pay alimonies and cerai-gantung are ignored. The Jabatan Ugama makes frequent raids of pubs and massage parlours and behave like the tonton marquotes of Papa Docs Duvalier's Haiti, only to be laughed at when the suspects are Sarawkians or Sabahans. In Terengganu, where I live, an invitation to dinner in a non-Muslim's house will require the Muslim to bring his own pinggan-mangkuk because of fear of bekas haram. It is so divisive. The priorities are schewed. Some Malays who went to multi-racial boarding schools e.g. the Royal Military College are disgusted with this hypocrisy. At this 11th hour before the election, this unfortunate rule will rob the BN of several thousand votes to the DAP. wasalaam. 
 

Parti Sosialis Malaysia (PSM) wrote :
Subject: KE ALAF BARU....bersama polirisasi kaum dan agama 
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 02:01:11 MYT 

MALAYSIA KE ALAF BARU 
…..bersama polirisasi kaum dan agama 

Datuk Abdullah Ahmad Badawi pada hari Jumaat yang lalu mengatakan kad pengenalan baru akan memaparkan agama pemegangnya. Menurutnya ini adalah untuk mengenalpasti agama pemegangnya untuk membolehkan kerajaan senang mengambil tindakan terhadap sesiapa yang melakukan kesalahan-kesalahan agama. 

Kenyataan Datuk Badawi ini merupakan satu langkah ke belakang dan merupakan satu penghinaan kepada konsep masyarakat majmuk dan muhibbah yang sering diluang-luangkan. Datuk Badawi memberitahu bahawa kabinet sudah membuat keputusanya dan telah berbincang secara masak. Persoalannya ialah siapakah kabinet untuk memutuskan kesemua ini. Mengapa sebelum membuat satu keputusan yang bodoh sebegini, rakyat tidak dibincang atau buah fikiran rakyat ditanya dahulu? 

Malaysia kini menuju ke alaf baru bukan sebagai sebuah negara yang matang tetapi sebagai sebuah negara yang tebal dengan polirisasi kaum dan agamanya. Setiap kali , kita menulis sebarang borang, kita diingatkan bahawa kita berasal dari salah satu kaum dan agama. Bagaimana kita hendak memupuk semangat ke Malaysiaan, apabila setiap masa kita diingatkan bahawa kita berasal dari kaum dan agama yang berbeza. 

Polisi-polisi kerajaan seperti hak keistimewaan untuk orang melayu, sistem kuato, pemberian kontrak dan lain-lain yang berdasarkan kaum telah berjaya memecahkan rakyat Malaysia kepada identiti kaum dan agama yang begitu tebal. Ini menyebabkan wujud masalah iri hati, berlumba-lumba dan pilihkasih antara kaum-kaum dan agama di Malaysia. Umpamanya, apabila India dan Pakistan bertempur dalam isu Kashmir, majoriti rakyat Melayu akan menyokong Pakistan manakala Majoriti rakyat India di Malaysia akan menyokong India. Kami tidak mengutuk perasaan kaum-kaum ini tetapi ini dengan jelas menunjukkan bahawa rakyat Malaysia adalah prejudis dan sistem kerajaan terus mengukuhkan perasaan prejudis kita. Apabila kita prejudis, kebenaran dan keadilan akan tersembunyi di belakang perasaan perkauman dan keagamaan sempit. 

Datuk Badawi dengan senang boleh memberitahu bahawa ini tidak akan mendiskriminasi sesiapa ? Namun apakah jaminannya? Pada tahun lalu, kita dikejutkan dengan peristiwa di Kampung Rawa , Pulau Pinang apabila dua buah tempat beribadat yang sudah lama bertapak tidak dapat lagi bertapak di tempat yang sama. Kita tidak dapat menyelesaikan masalah-masalah kecil, tetapi kita dengan senang memberi jaminan tidak ada diskriminasi yang akan berlaku. 

Apakah motif sebenarnya agama seseorang itu perlu dibuat umum? Jika seseorang itu adalah pemikir bebas atau seseorang itu percaya kepada agama universal, maka perlukah individu itu dipaksa untuk meletakkan nama agamanya? Bagaimana pula dengan seseorang atheist, yang tidak percaya dengan tuhan ? Apakah beliau akan dihukum kerana tidak meletak nama agamanya di kad pengenalan?. Siapakah yang menentukan sesuatu itu moral atau tidak? Adakah ini akan bercanggah dengan Perlembagaan Negara dan Piagam Hak Asasi Manusia sedunia yang menjamin kebebasan untuk individu. 

Kepercayaan seseorang kepada tuhan dan agama adalah soal peribadi antara manusia dengan penciptanya atau dengan alam semulajadi dan tidak perlu dihebohkan atau dibuat umum semata-mata demi kepentingan segelintir orang. Individu harus diberi kepercayaan dan hak serta kebebasan untuk berfikir dan mengintepretasi dirinya dan alam semesta. 

Tindakan Datuk Badawi dan kabinet Malaysia adalah satu tindakan yang memalukan dan kolot.
 

V.Vijayan wrote :
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:16:45 +0800
Subject: [Pahlawan] Why should My Religion be Anybody's Business

Dear Pahlawan,

My daughter turned 12 a few days ago. Today, my wife and I, together
with my daughter went to get her I.C. done. The registration dept. in
our town gave us a form to be filled. To our surprise one of the
information wanted was the religion. It had about 5 religious options.
We left that question blank as we knew that, as per your newspaper (Sun)
report of 12/10/99, the inclusion of the religion was to be in the
future.

What totally amazed us was the fact that the Registration dept's
computer system has already been programmed to include religion.
According to their personnel this has been so for the last 5 months. But
the Honorable Deputy P.M. made the statement only on Saturday 9/10/1999.
He also stressed that it was going to be done in the future.

The officer processing our daughter's I.C. said she simply could not
carry on without that information. They had to type something in. We
were quite firm and we said that we wanted that information left blank.
So, that officer typed in the empty space NO RELIGION (TIADA AGAMA).
This information was given to us in the form of the temporary I.C. On
inquiring further, this time to the head of dept., we were told that
they themselves would not know if TIADA AGAMA would appear or not in the
actual I.C. Since this whole process is on-line with the head office in
K.L. I suspect, very strongly, that that is what will ultimately be
written in my daughter's I.C.

We feel a great injustice has been done to us. Having something like
that written on the I.C. is offensive to us. It is like saying 'Tiada
bersekolah' OR 'Tiada kebudayaan' OR even worse it sounds like 'Tiada
berakhlak' Literally 'Tiada Agama' means that my daughter is an atheist.
This is not our belief. We are strongly religious and our relationship
with the Almight is very personal and very private. We are truly
Malaysians adhering strictly to the Rukun Negara which states that we
believe in God.

We are terribly depressed that such an action is meted out to us by some
inconsiderate, inhumane computer programme. In any case who authorised
the Registration dept. to introduce a system of having the religion put
in even before it has become a Law or for that matter even a Regulation.
Is there such a law or regulation authorising the said dept. to
implement such a thing? Please advice. Is there anyway or anyone we can
seek a redress of the situation?

Thank you for your kind considearation.

Yours sincerely,

God fearing Malaysian



Modern Malaysian
wrote :

Date: Tuesday, 12 October 1999 23:10 
Subject: [Pahlawan] Why should My Religion be Anybody's Business 

Malaysians today are becoming more and more assimilated - mixed marriages are no longer uncommon. This I believe, makes the issue of race or religion even more confusing (for the child?) - who only needs to know that he or she is a Malaysian. If pressed deeper, then, Chinese Malaysian, or Indian Malaysian or whatever - but then, what about a child of mixed Indian and Chinese parentage? "Chin-dian Malaysian"?!! OK - that one was easy. What about other mixed races (with all due respect to those out there - in no way is this meant to be a mockery or what we call ourselves, but rather a realisation that we all come together regardless of colour or race - and more so our children today - who have "blended" with different colours - and yet we all have one thing in common - that we are Malaysians and we love this country. 

Enough said! 

  
Gan Cheong Ann wrote:
Date: Tuesday, 12 October 1999 13:34
Subject: [Pahlawan] why should my religion be anybody's business

I strongly disagree that religion should be included in our ICs for reasons different from yours.  I love this country and I feel that all of us should be Malaysians first and Malaysians last.
Everything else is secondary - race, religion, class, etc, etc.  It's about time that we stop ourselves from being segregated and manipulated.  The situation now is pretty bad - just look at the statistics on non-integration by university students.  If we want real unity, then we have to identify ourselves as MALAYSIAN.  Stretched to a limit, I may classify myself as a Chinese Malaysian (not Malaysian Chinese!), but nonetheless, very, very MALAYSIAN.  The race bit is totally irrelevant, let alone religion!

Have a good day!
cheong ann

 
Sam wrote :
Date: Wednesday, 13 October 1999 3:57
Subject: [Pahlawan] Religion on IC

It is not merely a personal matter. It also reflect how backward a society is. If we dwell deeper into religion, being religious actually has nothing to do with the 'name' of any religion. It is about living with principles, within a set of ethics, respecting others, not racist, none prejudice. The essence is more important than the form. Let me tell you a story... Long long time ago. In a small town far far away. There was a temple. There were monks living there. Every day during lunch time, there was a cat jumping on to the tables where the monks were having food. So the old monk ordered his disciples to tie the cat to a pillar during lunch everyday. They'd been doing that for years. One day, the chief monk died and the cat did not returned. Not knowing the reason why they used to tie the cat during lunch, the new chief ordered his disciples to look for a new cat and tie the cat at the same pillar everyday during lunch because they'd been doing it for years. Get the moral of the story? Soli... not good in telling stoli. :-) 


JK Tan wrote :

Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:13:41 +0800

Subject: [Pahlawan] Re: Why should My Religion be Anybody's Business?

Someone in Power must has gone BONKERS. They can't be bagus all the time
they choose the second best for being BONKERS. (if one would to slang a
little bit both sound similar)

I was in the stage of having mixed feeling to read the mail and learned
that one JPN (a department that most of the officers seemed to possess LLB
degree) has amazed V.Vijayan's family by telling them that the department
has already implemented the programme.
The moment V.Vijayan refused to comply to their "REQUEST" they become sour
because they can not use the nice PCs to carried out
the non-authorised LAW.

Why?
Well I am happy, so happy that JPN has finally become the most efficient
gov't dept. in Malaysia. Good example! Keep it up JPN!
On the hand....
I am sad, so sad .... MAYBE someone is doing something behind YB PM's back.
....... How can a small dept. like JPN carry out a
"regulation" that's not being debated in our Parliment house and never give
our members of Parliment a change to discuss this
issue over tea break at their favorite place - the cafetaria. - Horrible
and very sorry for our members of Parliment.

I rest my case. Hope YAB PM gets to know this "technical" problem......
soon.


JK


Annabelle Gopalan wrote :
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:01:58 +0800 
Subject: [Pahlawan] Why should My Religion be Anybody's Business 

I just voted NOT to have 'religion' included in the IC. I also stongly support yhat 'race' too should not be added. After all Malaysian IC means I am a Malaysian!! 

Annabelle Gopalan 
 

Gene Ang wrote : 
Date: Wednesday, 13 October 1999 21:19 
Subject: [Pahlawan] Why should My Religion be Anybody's Business 

There's another factor that nobody has mention so far and that is: If the Goverment goes through with this idiotic idea, I would assume that millions of Malaysians will have to change their ICs again, so who is going to pay for the cost? Will the goverment or are we Malaysians expected to dig deep in our pockets to spend the much needed RM during these hard economic times which could probably go to some other better use. I really hope the goverment would reconsider as this move is not only an intrusion into a citizen's privacy but it is also being done without the agreement of the majority of the population and if that still doesn't hold any water, then the will of the people as a democratic society will not have any say in anything that the goverment decides. 
Thank you. 
 

Richard Lansangan wrote : 
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 05:19:05 -0700 (PDT) 
Subject: [Pahlawan] Why should My Religion be Anybody's Business?

First of all I am proud to be Malaysian but don’t mention religion in my IC. 

I would like to express my opinion to the relevant authority that this proposal, if implemented, may lead to discrimination among our multicultural society. It will not contribute to integration instead it may create an impression that the authority is treating Malaysian differently. Even now, Malaysian is divided by ethnic and because of this the Government have formulated and implemented various policy towards narrowing these differences. The authority may have its own reason to the proposal but inclusion of one religion in their IC is not an effective way to solve this kind of problem. For example, when a Muslim happen to be in the nightclubs, the enforcement officer could just check their name and IC No and then validate them through online communication tools brought along during enforcement, or computer device connected to a central database (for instance, the National Registration Department, etc). This method is perhaps more advanced, as information stored in a central database is more reliable. Why I say this, is because IC can be modified, forged, or duplicated as reported in the newspaper. 

I appeal to the DPM to reconsider this proposal because it can disturb the peace among our multicultural society. When it is implemented, those people who are not Muslim but look like Muslim may feel disturbed when their IC are taken only to check their type of religion. I believe religion is a sensitive issue, and is something that takes strongest hold in one inmost soul. Therefore, when one religion is subject to various enforcement regulations, it will slowly create dissatisfactions among non-Muslim. These “dissatisfactions” are then become “toxic” which prevented all effort to create pure integration among our multicultural society. In sustaining and improving our current level of harmony, there should be no element of ” comparisons” introduced by anyone. What more if it is related to one religion or races. I think the non-Muslim has contributed a lot to our present harmony. 

Please be sensitive. 
 

Edwin Sidek wrote :
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:35:56 MYT 
Subject: [Pahlawan] Re: Why should My Religion be Anybody's Business? 

Religion is a belief between oneself and GOD / ALLAH , be it what ever the religion may be. 
The government has allowed freedom of religion which means that the rakyat has the choice to worship whatever religion they wish, then why is there a need to include one's religion into the I/C. 

Is it a way to discriminate? or 
Is it a way to narrow down on the ill believers of Islam? 

It's time the government stop emphasizing so much on Islam as the hypocrisy is deep into one who portrays too much religion in one's self. 

We have seen in the newspapers recently that the "lepak" kids were mostly the ones wearing the "tudung" - an islamic way to profess a strong faith. 

Let religion be skin deep and not face value thanks 

edwin sidek 


Jamuna Subramaniam wrote :
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:48:17 +0800
Subject: [Pahlawan] Why should My Religion be Anybody's Business

To whom it may concern

I totally disagree with religion being stated on my IC. I am one of those unfortunate ones to have my religion stated on it. I was shocked when I picked up IC recently to find this new addition there. When asked all I got for an answer was that that this is a new ruling.

How come the government did not ask the public's opinion on this matter? Do we not have the right to decide on something as important as this? We as citizens of Malaysia are the ones that elected the government and the government has the obligation to ask us first about such a sensitive matter before going through with it. Nothing was announced beforehand. It was implemented with no regards whatsoever to all Malaysians.This a wrong step taken towards the future.

That's all I have to say.


Jamuna Subramaniam


> From: DAP MALAYSIA dap.malaysi-@pobox.com
> To: bungaray-@listserv.net-gw.com
> Subject: [BUNGARAYA] Religion in i/c: Suspend until after election
> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> This is a list on the statements/speeches by Malaysian Parliamentary
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> Media Statement by Parliamentary Opposition Leader, DAP Secretary-General
> and MP for Tanjong, Lim Kit Siang, in Petaling Jaya on Friday, 22nd
> October 1999:
> =========================================================
>
> DAP calls for the suspension of all reference of religion on identity cards,
> whether Muslim or non-Muslim, so that religious differences would not be
> elevated into new major division among Malaysians and undermine Vision 2020
> to create a Bangsa Malaysia
>
> Although Deputy Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullah Badawi announced on
> Wednesday that the cabinet had decided that the reference to religion in
> new identity cards would not apply to non-Muslims, this does not make the
> new government decision any less retrogressive as far as nation-building is
> concerned.
>
> The issue of two types of identity cards, one including religion for Muslims
> and another omitting religion for non-Muslims, is itself a distinctive form
> of separation of Malaysians into two categories, which runs counter to
> Vision 2020 to create a Bangsa Malaysia where Malaysians identify themselves
> as a Malaysian first above their racial, religious, linguistic and cultural
> differences.
>
> Reservations and objections to the inclusion of religion in the new identity
> cards - even in the modified manner decided by the Cabinet - has nothing to
> do with the coming general election, but are based on very solid grounds
> that there should be no turning back of the clock of nation-building after
> 42 years, where Malaysians emphasise their common bond of national identity
> instead of highlighting their differences, whether racial, religious or
> cultural.
>
> To remove the issue from the arena of electoral politics, I call on the
> Cabinet to suspend implementation of the inclusion of religion in the new
> identity cards, whether by the new method of specific reference for Muslims
> or omission in the case of non-Muslims, until after the next general
> election when there should be the fullest public consultation and discussion
> on the wisdom and desirability of having such an inclusion before a new
> decision is taken.
>
> - Lim Kit Siang -
>
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Puaska wrote :

Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 7:26 AM
Subject: [Pahlawan] Religion in IC

So what is the problem now? DAP insists that there are still problems.
I don't think so. I, as a Muslim wants Islam to be clearly stated as my
religion. Nobody can say otherwise! It is my democratic right to choose
so. On the other hand if DAP doesn't want religion to be in their
IC..so be it. Again it is their right to do so. Don't try to influence
others to do what you don't want. If I don't want to follow your views
don't considered that as undemocratic.

Wasalam.


Michael Fong wrote :
Date : Mon, 25 Oct 1999 05:53:05 +1300
Subject: Re: [Pahlawan] Religion in IC

>So what is the problem now? DAP insists that there are still problems.
>I don't think so. I, as a Muslim wants Islam to be clearly stated as my
>religion. Nobody can say otherwise! It is my democratic right to choose
>so. On the other hand if DAP doesn't want religion to be in their
>IC..so be it. Again it is their right to do so. Don't try to influence
>others to do what you don't want. If I don't want to follow your views
>don't considered that as undemocratic.(snip)

The move may not necessarily be undemocratic but it is dangerous. It is more
dangerous in its present form than originally when every citizen's religion
was to be included. It is more dangerous NOW because it now marks a clear
dinstinction between the Muslims and the rest. It is religious aparteid. It
could lead to a situation where the holders of certain cards are considered
preferred citizens in some situations. It is also an invasion of privacy.
Malaysians should have the *right* to even not disclose their belief in any
forms, be they govermental or private organisation's. The right to have
"Prefer not to say" should go alongside any questions asking one to state
his/her belief. Our relationship with our Maker is strictly between us and
Him and governments and companies have no right to poke their noses in.

mf

 

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